Today in Craft Beer and Street Food

 

 

 

 

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16 thoughts on “Today in Craft Beer and Street Food

  1. The third one could equally well apply to IndyMan. This is the “diverse beer community” that the likes of Melissa Cole are always banging on about.

    You are sorely missed on Twitter, btw.

  2. Eeeeeyuuupp, cheers for the mention and the portrait of our lovely events. A bit weird to see us singled out I would say (although had already read your other blog post about street food so got the general gist of your feelings on it) as you might not believe it but a huge part about what we do is making really good locally produced beer in cask and keg available to as many people as possible at as fair a price as we possibly can supporting as many proper micro breweries as we possibly can. Same with the food really, we go out of our way to help folk get started and to be able to make a living and for people to get some really good food below restaurant prices. Not sure why we’re the bastards here. I also agree with your sentiments on cultural appropriation and diversity in beer/food, I think it’s more complicated than how you tell it but it’s an issue and something that needs to be addressed. In short I work fucking hard to run a business that has some values and morals (a lot more than most) that was started primarily to help other people’s independent businesses and make a nice place where everyone would be welcomed and was more affordable than most places so I suppose fuck me right.

    • As I don’t know which Bailey I’m addressing here the please take it as no foul meant if I misgender you.

      If you think this piece or any of the other(s) was defamatory as to how hard you’ve worked and what you’ve achieved then that is and was never the intention, that goes for stall holders as well.

      Of course wrapping up someone’s own business & hard work with its clientèle and its perceived social values and coupling that with commentary on social and societal politics will probably do that, so please don’t see it as patronising when I tell you not to take it personally, for what it is worth.

      Having said that, it is a shame you’ve chosen that line, of victimhood that wasn’t in the piece, to use as your rebuttal. You were not the target, but I suppose by association the was the perception…think I’ve just repeated myself, probably to enforce the point.

      By all means try and solve these societal issues but don’t be shocked when you find that whatever you do is never enough and I’ll endeavour to keep pointing it out.

      As an open question, were you guys behind the Keystone thing back in 2014/15 too?

      • I’m not that fussed about misgendering so don’t sweat it.

        Obviously the piece isn’t directly defamatory about how hard we worked but it’s bordering on naive to think we wouldn’t take it personally (victimhood is a totally unnecessary and unhelpful word) seen as though you’d taken the decision to drape your commentary in our logo. It would be a very different conversation if you’d spoken about ‘street food’ and ‘craft beer’ in more general terms, there’s clearly a big conversation to be had about inclusiveness and diversity in both those ‘scenes’ (I hate all of the terms I’m using in quotation marks by the way).

        We don’t define our clientele or the perceived social values of our event, we do try our absolute best not to exclude anybody (who isn’t a fuckwad) from that clientele and we try and maximise what limited social value we can generate but at the end of the day the end result in both regards is largely out of our hands. We’re not naive enough to think we can solve any societal issues and have never claimed to, has anybody else claimed that? But I do think we’re fulfilling our promise to TRY and deliver those goals when other people don’t bother. Which really is why I’m a bit fucked off, relatively speaking it’s pretty shitty to point the finger at us and our clientele. I’m not a victim and this really isn’t the end of the world but I thought it was worth voicing my feelings (despite the calls of ‘triggered’ and ‘victimhood’ which in my experience are used to diminish other people’s voice and ultimately intended to reduce free speech). Of course you’re free to point out we’re not solving society’s issues, I’m just not sure how much value there is in that.

        Yep the Keystone thingy was us.

        • I disagree with you on words like “triggered” and “victimhood” (lets add “snowflake” to that and “virtue signalling”), diminish free speech, they are specifically designed to provoke a reaction, much like the meme in this piece and stimulate debate, anger is an energy after all.

          I agree with you about terms; in my defence, we are in Manchester so I picked on Manchester events, the two biggest in the “scenes” they represent and as definite bait.

          I’m not here to point out that you specifically aren’t solving society’s problems, hopefully I wouldn’t come across as so arrogant, I’m just trying to hold up a mirror to a certain comfort zone that people can falsely enter in to. Besides, it isn’t for me to tell people what they can and can’t spend there money on, I just like being snarky about it when I see it come across as self-righteous (again, not Grub specifically).

          Nor would I worry about cultural appropriation, diversity or inclusivity; as you yourself say, you get through the door who you get through the door.

          My own ignorance is that I do view everyone at these events as having similar thoughts, hence why I made myself into the very first meme of the piece (which obviously doesn’t work for anyone who reads this and has no idea what I look like) and for all that you strive to do with your events I sincerely believe you’ll always only ever attract the same crowd, not that that should ever stop you from trying.

          Indeed if I didn’t think you weren’t decent people I wouldn’t have helped with the funding of Keystone in the first place (“virtue signal”).

  3. Sorry chief, but you’ve got this one completely wrong with regard to Grub. From my past experience their events have always seemed really welcoming to all ages and sexes (unlike a lot of traditional pubs I’ve been in).

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